Category Archives: Trust and Distrust

I am a bit uncomfortable living so near to the Church of God Steinbach

 

The Church of God Restoration, just outside of Steinbach,  received international attention during the Covid-19 pandemic for its refusal to obey government mandates to stop in person religious services contrary to provincial mandates.

 

Now its affiliated church the Church of God Steinbach, which is a block away from our house,  is in the centre of a measles outbreak.  That is disconcertingly close. As with Mennonite communities around North America including Texas, Ontario, Alberta, and now Manitoba, Mennonites are gaining notoriety as a result of their opposition to vaccines.

 

As of a couple of days ago,  Malak Abas of the Winnipeg Free Press reported, “MORE than 100 people have contracted measles in Manitoba this year. There have been 14 confirmed and four probable cases in June, as per data accurate as of Wednesday.”

Malak Abas also reported this:

“Four new locations in southern Manitoba were pinpointed as possible exposure sites to measles Tuesday: Triangle Oasis Restaurant in Winkler, from 6 p.m. to 8:30 p.m. on June 11, VB’s Entertainment Center in Winkler, from 5 p.m. to 10 p.m. on June 9, The Manitou Motor Inn’s bar, from 3 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. on June 9 and Steinbach Church of God in Steinbach from 9:45 a.m. to 2 p.m. on June 1.”

 

Please note these are all in the Mennonite Bible belt of Manitoba.

I am getting uncomfortable here. Among Mennonites. My people. This seems to be a place where reason has gone to sleep. And as Goya said, “the sleep of reasons brings forth monsters.” I know I keep repeating this, but its important.

 

Alberta in trouble too

 

Dr. Lenora Saxinger an infectious disease specialist was interviewed by the CBC producers of a CBC podcast and she confirmed that in Alberta they found the measles was concentrated in the southern part of the province which had a large member of Mennonites too. By now that should surprise no one. The disease does not spread as fast in other areas because there are higher vaccination rates there. Clearly, the higher the rates of vaccination the better the people are being defended by vaccines.  It would be nice if all Mennonites, and others too,  understood that simple fact. She did not point the finger specifically at Mennonites. She pointed the finger at areas with close-knit groups of people who shared views about things like the untrustworthiness of vaccinations.

 

This has happened in more than 1 religious and cultural group. Other groups that had such problems thought the same way as Mennonites. She suggested it was important to get a “local religious influencer on board.” It is difficult though because there are a lot of “self-reinforcing beliefs” in some groups.

 

Matt Galloway of CBC reminded us that this was a serious disease and it affected children in 75% of the Alberta cases. Dr. Saxinger confirmed that even though a lot of people survived measles  in the 50s and 60s (including me) it can have serious long-term effects. It is a disease we should treat seriously. Even though about 1 in a thousand died from it, a much higher percentage of about 10 to 20% had ear infections, pneumonia which are not necessarily trivial diseases. She added that even for adults there is a “not insignificant rate of hospitalization from it. It isa serious whole body viral ailment that can affect every organ system and “its miserable at the best and deadly at the worst.”

 

Dr. Saxinger also warned us when todays doctor’s starting practicing there were as few as 10 case of measles per year. That has changed to 1,500 per year, or even more. And this years’ rate of measles is 10 times higher than last year! Unfortunately, she said, “covid accelerated anti-vaccine sentiment and elevated conspiracy thinking. It reduced trust.”

Of course this distrust has been amplified by issues surrounding Measles vaccines. It is not just Mennonites that distrust government and health officials. Distrust by now is widespread. And we are all paying a price for that distrust. I wish it weren’t so.

Sense and Nonsense in Aylmer Ontario

 

A current hotspot for measles is in Aylmer Ontario. That is an area where many drive horse and buggies.

 

As Matt Galloway said on CBC radio The Current said, “the measles cases in Ontario are concentrated in the southwest part of Ontario.”  Why your ask? Mennonites of course. As Galloway said:

“It is ground zero for the measles outbreak in the south west part of that province (Ontario) in the Mennonite community where vaccination rates are low.” James Shirani took a trip though that area and said this Mennonite country was ground zero in the measles outbreak.”

 

He drove to a restaurant called Mennomex and talked to Nancy Thiessen who seems to have contracted measles from her contact with her unvaccinated granddaughter. All of her grandchildren are not vaccinated. But she said, “I’m not really worried about it.” Why worry? Life is simple. Or is it?

 

Shirani confirmed that from his talks to Mennonite theologians there was nothing in the Mennonite religion to suggest vaccines were contrary to their religion, but there was a high level of distrust among some Mennonites of the medical system and the government.

 

Shirani interviewed a woman who said “there was nothing good in those vaccines. Nothing in there is going to do you any good at all.”  She was standing beside a garden and Shirani asked her what she did to protect herself.  Her answer was “we pick those yellow things. And those purple things. They do more for us than anything ever could…Dandelions darling. I know dandelions! And strawberries. You can use the leaves as well.”

  So instead of trusting modern medicines she trusted dandelions, violets and strawberries!”

 

Shirani asked her what she thought of vaccines. “Vaccines are not a requirement for us. There’s dirt in there than of any well-being. Grandma grew up without them and so can we.”

 

He also spoke to David Ayoki who is the Chief nursing officer at Waterloo where there is according to Shirani, the greatest diversity of Mennonites in the all of Canada.  Some of them speak low German he said. He said Covid had created a divide between the local Mennonites and public health. The tried to build trust over time, but things like isolation and being kept away from their churches did not help to build the trust they needed.

 

The local health authorities say that measles is disproportionately affecting Mennonites.

Holly Silverhorn a local business woman was interviewed and said the people who were being infected by this preventable disease had not been vaccinated and did not seem to understand vaccines at all. Stigma and finger pointing will just make things worse. That might cause them to pull away even further from public health.

Religious Vaccine Exemptions

 

I recall that during the Covid-19 pandemic religion became intertwined in the vaccine issue.  To me that seemed weird. What do vaccines have to do with religion?

 

Well religion is involved in many issues: sex, gender, politics, war, and many others. So why not vaccines too?

 

For a while, some people were requesting religious exemptions for vaccine mandates. I was puzzled by this.

 

Mennonite Church Canada (often called The General Conference of Mennonites) got involved and published this in its October 1, 2021 edition of Canadian Mennonite:

 

“Mennonite Church Canada’s executive ministers released a statement earlier this week responding to inquiries from constituents regarding exemption from COVID-19 vaccines.

 

The message, signed by Doug Klassen (Mennonite Church Canada), Garry Janzen (MC B.C.), Tim Wiebe-Neufeld (MC Alberta), Ryan Siemens (MC Saskatchewan), Michael Pahl (MC Manitoba) and Leah Reesor-Keller (MC Eastern Canada), states the following:

 

For a religious exemption to be granted, rationale for exemption must be clearly indicated within our sacred texts or confessional statements.

We wish to clarify that there is nothing in the Bible, in our historic confessions of faith, in our theology or in our ecclesiology that justifies granting a religious exemption from vaccinations against COVID-19.

“I have heard concerns from some members of our constituency regarding the vaccines. However, we do not believe these concerns justify an exemption from COVID-19 vaccinations on religious grounds from within a Mennonite faith tradition.”

 

 

Other religious groups felt differently. In Winnipeg the Springs Church, which is attended by many Mennonites but I don’t believe is affiliated with any Mennonite organizations, made the decision to provide religious exemptions to their members.

 

The Canadian Mennonite justified their position this way:

“For a religious exemption to be granted, rationale for exemption must be clearly indicated within our sacred texts or confessional statements.

We wish to clarify that there is nothing in the Bible, in our historic confessions of faith, in our theology or in our ecclesiology that justifies granting a religious exemption from vaccinations against COVID-19.

We have heard concerns from some members of our constituency regarding the vaccines. However, we do not believe these concerns justify an exemption from COVID-19 vaccinations on religious grounds from within a Mennonite faith tradition.”

 

Presumably similar issues would apply in the case of measles vaccines though they have been around for decades.

 

Mennonites are a very diverse group. But the facts clearly indicate that many communities with large numbers of Mennonites also have large numbers of people who decline to take vaccines. This is particularly true in those communities where there is a significant distrust of government and authority. That is why some governments have chosen to provide messaging to the people in Low German. I believe that in the areas particularly hard hit by measles in Ontario, there are significant numbers of such Mennonites.

 

A Sad Tale of Measles in Canada

 

In 1988 Canada declared measles was totally eliminated from the country.  That was a happy day. But that was then; this is now. Sadly, things have changed and not for the better.  And Mennonites are central to this sad tale.

First, let’s look at Ontario, then let’s look at Alberta, and then Manitoba.

In May of this year, just over a month ago, CBC’s podcast  Front Burner tackled the subject of what it called “a measles epidemic in Canada.”  That is pretty strong language. Is it justified?

On that show Jayme Poisson pointed out that “Measles case numbers in Ontario are higher than the total registered cases of the entire United States. As of today, it is 1,646 cases since January. Shockingly, she pointed out that measles was spreading on a per capita basis even faster in Alberta!

 Public health experts have said that unless Canada turns this around measles will again be endemic to our country. Why?  Because ignorance is on the rise. She did not say that. I said that.

CBC senior health reporter Jennifer Yoon explained how things had got out of control in Canada.

Hm. Just sticking with Ontario here, what do we know about how this outbreak started and spread? Yoon then jumped right in to a Mennonite connection:

 

“We know that it really started in October. So there was a wedding, a Mennonite wedding, in New Brunswick. Somebody went to the wedding and then came back to Ontario, and they started spreading measles. Public health officials said they never really got it under control, and the cases that we’re seeing right now are by and large connected with that outbreak. Not all, but most of them are.

 

Think about that “most” measles cases in Canada are connected to that outbreak.  Poisson stepped in to make it clear that the CBC did not want to be heard blaming Mennonites. It wouldn’t do for the CBC to do that. This is what she said,

 

“I wanna be careful here about not blaming or unfairly singling out Mennonite communities, because, of course, we know that there are cases not in Mennonite communities. But we do know also that many of the outbreaks in the U.S. as well have been in Mennonite and other Anabaptist communities. And what do we know about why that is?”

I of course have no such limitations. Actually I do. I live here and would prefer not to be run out of town. Yoon did not want to stigmatize Mennonites:

 

“So what you said there about stigma is absolutely what public health officials are thinking about. We know for sure that these are communities that, um, have historic objections for vaccinations for generations. Public health officials have said that they have religious objections, they have historically low vaccination rates. But some of them have not said that these are Mennonite communities. Ontario’s top doctor, Kieran Moore, did come out at the beginning and said that these are Mennonite communities. But it doesn’t really matter if you’re Mennonite or not. If you’re unvaccinated, you’re not protected. So that’s the kind of messaging that public health has been trying to give.”

 

Let me say that I was brought up in a Mennonite community and attended regularly, a Mennonite church until I was 18.  And I have never heard anything about the ill effects of vaccines in church.  But a lot has changed since I was 18. Some Mennonites—not all—have developed some strange ideas about vaccines.

This issue came up in 2021 when there were discussions about religious freedom and Covid-19 vaccines. This astonished me. Like I said, I had never heard in our church or anywhere else that this was a religious issue.

What does religion have to do with vaccines? That’s for my next post.

Mennonites Spearhead the Charge of the Ignorant

 

I have already commented on how the dangerous measles outbreak in the southern USA.  Now there is more news of Mennonite leading the charge of the ignorant in Canada.

Decades of research around the world has shown that there are no miracle treatment for measles, but the M.M.R. measles vaccine is 97 percent effective in preventing the disease. That really is stunning success, yet it does not seem to impress the impressionable vaccine deniers in both Canada and the US. And many of those deniers, it turns out, are Mennonites.  Mennonites seem to be punching above their weight in turns of measles vaccine denial. This is not a record we Mennonites of which  should be proud.

 

Mennonites have been encouraged in their denial by Donald Trump and his Secretary of State.  In the United States approximately 82% of Evangelical Christians have consistently supported Donald Trump. No other group has been as loyal to Trump no matter what crimes he commits. Felon or not, Evangelicals like Trump. As a result, they also like Trump’s Secretary of Health Robert F. Kennedy Jr.  I want to pursue that link. What is the fundamental basis of Evangelicals’ “faith” in Trump? Why is it so unshakeable?

I think that word “faith” is important and will come back to in future posts. Recently in the US the Americans have experienced the largest single measles outbreak in the past 25 years. I have already posted about this on March 1, 2025  (see https://themeanderer.ca/mennonites-lead-the-charge-against-health-protections/) I want to dig deeper into this weird connection between science denial and Mennonites. Actaully it is not that weird.

 

Recently, Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has directed American health officials  to explore potential new treatments for the measles disease such as the effectiveness of vitamins, even though there is no significant scientific evidence to suggest vitamins might be the answer.  And let me be clear, there is nothing wrong with testing or studying new approaches to public health problems.  However, we must be careful not to deflect attention or resources away from more likely solutions as a result of such research.  It could be that knowing there is a possibility that vitamins will protect people, many might think it would be smart to avoid the proven and effective vaccines in favor of false hopes of more acceptable measures such as vitamins.

Frankly, I was very surprised to read in the New York Times about Mennonites have such a profoundly unwelcome influence in the United State. What is up with that? That is what I want to know. It will take me a few posts to get to the bottom of this.

 

This is what Teddy Rosenbluth of the New York Times said about Kennedy’s new approach:

The decision is the latest in a series of actions by the nation’s top health official that experts fear will undermine public confidence in vaccines as an essential public health tool.”

 

 

Kennedy made the direction to his officials just as he was starting to feel a lot of backlash from the scientific community about his approach to the measles outbreak. Measles is sweeping through the American South-west, particularly in Mennonite communities where vaccination rates are so very low. Low vaccination rates inevitably mean more cases of measles because low rates erode group immunity.

In May of 2025 America experienced 930 cases of measles, most of which were associated with those communities and specifically Mennonite in those communities.  As Rosenbluth reported, “As an example of such a community, Mr. Kennedy pointed to the Mennonites in West Texas, who have experienced the brunt of the cases and hospitalizations in the current outbreak.”

 

This brings up the question that interests me. Why are Mennonites not trusting the science?

 

Vaccine Skeptic or Anti-vax?

 

R.F.K. Jr. has frequently denied that he is anti-vax despite the ample evidence to the contrary.  Dr. Paul A. Offit is another well-respected American pediatrician specializing in infectious diseases, vaccines, immunology, and virology. He is not a fan of R.F.K. Jr. In an interesting article in the New York Times he explained his view of Kennedy this way,

 

The news media labels Robert F. Kennedy Jr. a vaccine skeptic. He’s not. I’m an actual vaccine skeptic. In fact, everyone who serves with me on the Food and Drug Administration’s vaccine advisory committee is a vaccine skeptic. Pharmaceutical companies must prove to us that a vaccine is safe, that it’s effective. Then and only then will we recommend that it be authorized or licensed for use by Americans.

 

Mr. Kennedy, on the other hand, is a vaccine cynic, failing to accept studies that refute his beliefs. He claims that the measles-mumps-rubella vaccine causes autism, despite more than a dozen studies performed in seven countries on three continents involving thousands of children showing that it doesn’t.

 

Even though childhood vaccines have prevented more than 1 million deaths and 32 million hospitalizations in the past 30 years Kennedy says no vaccine is safe and effective.  That sounds pretty good to me.

Kennedy also claims vaccines were not properly studied before use. This also sounds good, but as Dr. Offit said, “When Mr”. Kennedy says he wants vaccines to be better studied, what he really seems to be saying is he wants studies that confirm his fixed, immutable, science-resistant beliefs. That’s not skepticism.”

 

As I have said before skepticism is good and important. We need skeptics to constantly keep scientists on their toes and alert to potential problems. Complacency is dangerous. But we need   skepticism based on good science and careful analysis. Not blather like that of so many vaccine skeptics. We must always remain skeptical of the skeptics too. Otherwise, they can do serious harm.

 

Dr. Offit says he is a skeptic. He needs proof that vaccines are safe and effective. He pointed out that he was on the Food and Drug Administration advisory committee which voted in favor of the  authorisation of the bivalent Covid vaccine which targeted both the original strain of the virus and Omicron variant, but he voted against its authorization because he was not convinced that the updated vaccine was better than the original. He said he and his colleagues debated the pros and cons vigorously.  Rigorous debate is essential for good science.

 

As a result he and his colleagues constantly ask question and examine new data and when warranted make changes. Sometimes the public is annoyed at the changes, but that is how science works. Nothing is baked in. Nothing is sacred. Even after the clinical trials are done they continue their surveillance systems because not all problems are picked up in the clinical trials. That was how they discovered the mRNA Covid-19 vaccines caused the heart condition myocarditis in about 1 in 50,000 people. They also discovered that the Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine caused dangerous blood clotting in about 1 in 250,000. With that data they evaluated these rare harms against the enormous benefits and decided the vaccines should be continued. The benefits out weighed the harms.

 

Despite all this hard and effective scientific work he was annoyed when Mr. Kennedy, on the other hand, has claimed that the Covid-19 vaccines, which have saved the lives of at least three million Americans, are “deadliest vaccine ever made.”

 

He knows that all vaccines have side-effects. It is impossible to avoid them. But he responded this way: “Yes, vaccines can cause side effects, but forgoing vaccination is also a risk… there are no risk-free choices.

 

In other words, if you choose not to take the vaccine you are probably taking a much bigger risk.  Skeptics like R.F.K. Jr. make things harder for parents to make the right decision for their children because according to Dr. Offit, he “he has cited and ignored data that doesn’t support his conclusions.”  And that creates mistrust of vaccines and the authorities in charge of them and that can be very dangerous for society.

 

Dr. Offit in his article ended with the expression of an ominous concern: “Given the lack of appropriate guardrails that would normally prevent an anti-vaccine activist, science denialist and conspiracy theorist from heading the country’s most important public health agency, it’s a dangerous time to be a child in the United States.

 

I would add, that is also true of Canada.

 

And that’s not where we want to be.

Robert Kennedy After the Pandemic

 

After the pandemic, PBS Newshour had this to say about RFK Jr.:

 

“Post-pandemic, Kennedy has continued to criticize the recommended vaccine schedule for children that is put out by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, as well as adult COVID and flu vaccines.”

 

At the same time he vociferously denied he was anti-vax when he was trying to get approved by the Senate for the position of Secretary of Health, arguably the most important position in government in relation to public health.

 Here is Kennedy’s exact statement which was shown on PBS News Hour:

 

Question:

 

Can you name any vaccines that you think are good?

 

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Health and Human Services Secretary Nominee:

 

I think some of the live virus vaccines are probably solve — averting more problems than they’re causing. There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective.

Kennedy has claimed he is not anti-vax but that seems about as clearly anti-vax as you can get. And Trump appointed him to be his Secretary of Health, nonetheless.

 

Dr. Michael Osterholm put it very clearly:

 

“Let’s be really clear about the fact he is an anti-vaccine messenger, and he has continued to be, and we have many, many examples of that.

 

The second thing is, is that, in this country, and, for that matter, throughout the world, when vaccines are licensed and approved, all the safety data that goes into licensing that vaccine is made public, nothing hidden in a vault somewhere that, if it were just opened up, the public would now have sunshine on a vaccine issue they didn’t have before.

 

Dr. Osterholm also warned that by appointing R.F.K. to such a prestigious position, it will inevitably weaken the vaccine policy of the government and limit uptake of vaccines across the country,

“by lending a veneer of legitimacy to his many disproven claims, allowing him to influence the licensing of new vaccines, and by firing many of the public health experts at HHS.”

 

And as we have seen by the Measles outbreaks in the US and Canada, this is exactly what happened. Unfortunately, Dr. Osterholm was proven right. He then ominously concluded,

 

“As we have more and more infections occur as a result of fewer and fewer people being vaccinated, within literally a few years, we could be back into a period not that dissimilar to what we had happening in the early 1900s, before vaccines. That’s hard for people to imagine.”

 

It may be hard to imagine, but that is precisely where we now are. Thanks to Trump and Kennedy and others, we have regressed more than 100 years.

 

Recently, Kennedy fired all 17 physicians on his Vaccine Advisory Panel. He didn’t like the advice he got from any of them!  Some of the physicians he has replaced them with have been far from conventional.  Does Kennedy know what he is doing? There is no evidence that he does.  Frankly, to me, the fact that he was appointed by Trump makes me think he does not. It would be an unusual Trump appointment if he did. I hope I am wrong. These positions are two important to get it wrong.